How Does The Sound Of Cartridge Change With Breaking In

October xx, 2013,12:38 PM

So yous simply spent $59, $300, $900, $2000 on a new cartridge. The price does not matter. All cartridges regardless of price require what is known as interruption in. The amount of hours for break in varies but lets just say a median boilerplate is fifty-60 hours.

Merely what is cartridge break in? information technology is really ii things. 1 more and then than the other though people frequently get them mixed up as to which occurs faster. They are:

Suspension break in
Diamond stylus break in

The first is really the more relevant of the two because the wear of the diamond is a much slower process with a life of betwixt k - 2000 hours. 50 hours would only net 2% to five% wear and should be (if properly setup) fairly uniform. It matters equally it tends to soften the oft times overly bright initial sound.

What really matters initially though is break. From the factory or builders, suspensions are strong. As they should be ensuring solid long life. That does however; present problems in track ability and initial sound reproduction every bit even the slightest vibration is like a big speed crash-land. Flick a BRAND new ready of heavy duty shocks vs ones that take had a chance to break in. The ride smooths out and so does the cart tracking.

Many people set their VTF to the very high side for the initial intermission in period to accelerate the procedure and permit a flake of OVER button on the suspension. I don't attach to the over push simply I exercise tend to ready my VTF toward the high finish of manufactory spec for the simple reason that is where the engineers designed information technology to exist. It is a fallacy that lighter is meliorate.

My Clearaudio Concept MC cart just recently completed (I think) its break in period. It has about fifty+ hours on information technology and the transition is amazing. Initially, it sounded great right out of the box. But beingness a picky picky, certain notes in the highs seemed too vivid on occasion...the bass a chip besides deep. Nothing that would make me dislike the cart just I would say it was 96% there...

well, all of a sudden, I just seemed to notice that the sound seemed...Perfect. Zip sounded off, at any bespeak and albums I had listened to during INITIAL play sounded meliorate, fuller, balanced at all ranges...and it dawned on me...ahhh..I accept reached suspension in.

The moral of this though is that if it sounds pretty damn good initially, it is going to audio incredible when properly broken in. If information technology is NOT pleasing initially, it may go better, simply exist warned, it volition but become so far. I have rarely heard a cartridge sound bright or fatiguing initially go to awesome - with the except of an AT440MLa MM cart. Pretty surprising. I had a Sumiko that I did not like out of the box and no, did not like information technology broken in.

Please note, mileage may vary depending on your driving...LOL

October 20, 2013,01:52 PM

prissy write upward!! i sold my whole tabular array not long after the cartridge was broken in. and i accept a new cartridge that needs breaking in shortly. last i thought was broke in virtually 50 hours merely when i striking that 120 hour area started sounding even better.
thanks for that i always idea it was the tip that was breaking in.

October 20, 2013,06:37 PM

Quote Originally Posted past A/V Solutions View Post

Its really best to not set the VTF heavy on a new cartridge as this can over stress the suspension at beginning......many manufactures suggest starting out on the lower side of their recommended VTF and once your accomplish the thirty-40 hour marking and then revisit VTF and punch in. The nice thing about cartridges is they settle in fairly quick and certainly much quicker than about anything audio nonetheless the longest ride will be your tonearm cable and unless the wire is already burned in prior to assembly in the tonearm it tin can be years before its settled in when dealing with a tiny signal such equally a cartridge signal (mV) and very fine (small guess) wire. There are many times when the tonearm wire is properly broke in information technology will make more than of a divergence vs cartridge pause in. I have confirmed this many times using my cable cooker with a special adapter fitted for the tonearm leads.

Uh, isn't this is the opposite of what y'all told me well-nigh the Ortofon 2M Bronze I simply mounted? Since information technology just has about iii hours on it at present, I'k going to leave the VTF at ane.5g. Perhaps after about thirty to forty hours I can heighten it to 1.7g and meet how information technology goes.

Oct 20, 2013,07:twenty PM

Quote Originally Posted by MusicDirector View Post

Uh, isn't this is the opposite of what you told me about the Ortofon 2M Bronze I just mounted? Since it only has about 3 hours on it now, I'thousand going to get out the VTF at i.5g. Possibly after about thirty to twoscore hours I tin can raise it to 1.7g and encounter how it goes.

My comment was in general and experiences with the cartridge......get some hours on the cartridge and re-bank check your set before yous conclude its not a practiced fit for your table.

October 20, 2013,10:32 PM

Quote Originally Posted past A/5 Solutions View Post

My annotate was in general and experiences with the cartridge......go some hours on the cartridge and re-check your ready upward earlier you conclude its non a practiced fit for your table.

I haven't ended it is not a practiced fit.....nevertheless. I think there are boosted factors to tracking along with ready up. The 2M Bronze is quite tall and rides very low making it a bit more picky in tracking verses my AT95E which is not a alpine cart and rides higher.
I did play some other warped tape today (I only accept iii warped records) This one was more severely warped than the starting time one, simply to my surprise it played....barely. I think the type of warp also plays a office, maybe.
I take one record that you can not tell information technology's warped by looking at it, just information technology volition only play on my Pioneer PL510 with the AT95E cart. It would not play with the Shure M97xE and certainly won't play on the Denon.
It's simply the nature of the game. Though the Bronze is non cleaved in all the same and a tad brilliant (not equally bad as I anticipated), it still sounds expert. One time it breaks in I think I will hear more detail and balance or neutrality if you volition....I hope.

Oct xx, 2013,10:41 PM

Quote Originally Posted by MusicDirector View Post

I haven't concluded it is non a good fit.....yet. I think there are additional factors to tracking forth with fix. The 2M Bronze is quite tall and rides very low making information technology a bit more picky in tracking verses my AT95E which is not a tall cart and rides college.
I did play another warped tape today (I only have 3 warped records) This one was more severely warped than the first i, but to my surprise it played....barely. I think the type of warp too plays a role, maybe.
I have 1 record that yous can not tell it's warped past looking at it, but information technology volition but play on my Pioneer PL510 with the AT95E cart. Information technology would not play with the Shure M97xE and certainly won't play on the Denon.
It'due south merely the nature of the game. Though the Bronze is not broken in yet and a tad bright (not every bit bad equally I anticipated), it still sounds skillful. Once it breaks in I think I will hear more detail and balance or neutrality if you will....I hope.

Quit playing warped records LOL

October 20, 2013,10:47 PM

Quote Originally Posted by A/V Solutions View Post

Quit playing warped records LOL

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October 21, 2013,06:29 PM

Quote Originally Posted by A/Five Solutions View Post

Quit playing warped records LOL

Ha ha ha. Geez, I only take 3 out of 250+, that's pretty good because the nature of records.

October 21, 2013,09:24 PM

Eric

If you have a clean, just noisy LP and the Denon has a repeat office put that LP on and ready to repeat and let it play over and over while you are at piece of work. That will speed up the break-in process. I also set up the VTF towards the top of the manufacturer's range when I do this. Later about 2 days of the repeat procedure the suspension should be broken in. Why people on multiple forums call up the 2M series needs 50hrs is beyond me. The cartridge should either audio good after 10-12 hours or information technology won't. In my opinion, and Jeff'southward may be different, the 2M series volition ever exist forrad in their presentation. If yous like the AT sonic signature so that will be O.Grand. I own many AT cartridges including the AT-95 and they are just not my loving cup of tea. In the end we all like what nosotros like and that is all that matters.

October 22, 2013,05:40 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post

Eric

If you have a clean, but noisy LP and the Denon has a repeat function put that LP on and set to repeat and let information technology play over and over while you are at work. That will speed up the burglary process. I as well prepare the VTF towards the top of the manufacturer'southward range when I practise this. Later about 2 days of the repeat process the pause should exist broken in. Why people on multiple forums call back the 2M series needs 50hrs is beyond me. The cartridge should either audio good subsequently 10-12 hours or it won't. In my opinion, and Jeff's may exist different, the 2M series will always exist forward in their presentation. If you like the AT sonic signature and so that will exist O.Thou. I own many AT cartridges including the AT-95 and they are but not my cup of tea. In the end we all similar what nosotros like and that is all that matters.

I don't believe in speeding up the break in process. I don't like the thought, to me information technology just seems there is something harmful with information technology. I permit things break in naturally, the way it should be to me. I'g told that the average break-in time for the 2Ms is around 30 hours. That sounds like quite a bit to me to frankly,so I agree that 1 should know but how a cart will sound and perform in near 10 to 12 hours. Information technology'southward odd, the AT95E does not sound forrard to me on my Pioneer PL510, in fact it sounds quite counterbalanced and quite practiced for a $50 cart. Perhaps the TT and tone arm have something to do with how a cart sounds? I have not tried the AT on the Denon and won't unless I don't like the 2M which is non likely. (I detest setting up TTs so I like to practise it as little every bit possible)

October 22, 2013,06:04 PM

Can't exist anything harmful about the procedure, as it is simply playing vinyl as designed, just you lot practice it the way you feel comfortable. I have a tertiary TT ready in my home part that I tin can do the burglary with and too have a small-scale collection of VPI cleaned, simply notwithstanding noisy albums to utilize. I have done it that mode with dozens of styli and never had a problem. While the Statuary may change a petty as it gets closer to the thirty-50hr marking, I think you will know it'due south basic grapheme long before that. I don't discover the AT-95 to be equally forward as some of those above it. It sounds more like the older AT-1x series than the newer models. The bones generator it is based on has been around for a pretty long time. Sometimes cartridges sound different in dissimilar arms as they are just a meliorate match. The compliance of the AT-95 is about perfect for the Pioneer, but would be a scrap low for the Denon.

October 22, 2013,08:xx PM

Quote Originally Posted past Jack View Post

Tin can't be annihilation harmful about the process, equally it is just playing vinyl as designed, just you do information technology the way you feel comfortable. I have a third TT set upwardly in my home office that I can do the break-in with and likewise have a small collection of VPI cleaned, just notwithstanding noisy albums to apply. I take done it that way with dozens of styli and never had a problem. While the Statuary may change a footling as it gets closer to the 30-50hr mark, I think you will know it's basic character long earlier that. I don't find the AT-95 to exist every bit frontward equally some of those higher up it. It sounds more than similar the older AT-1x series than the newer models. The bones generator information technology is based on has been around for a pretty long time. Sometimes cartridges sound different in different artillery as they are just a better match. The compliance of the AT-95 is about perfect for the Pioneer, but would be a bit depression for the Denon.

I'g kind of interested in the whole cart/TT or Tonearm compliance matter. I'd love some good info on it such as what pairs up with what (perhaps a chart or equation or something at least) without any sales or marketing involved. "Just the facts maam". I fear that's a very tall if not unobtainable order though.

Oct 23, 2013,08:51 AM

There'due south no dubiety about it, all components benefit from break in. For an amp, or preamp, or CD/DAC it's relatively easy. But throw in a deejay and let it spin for a few days. For speakers it seems to accept longer and you may non have the selection of playing them 24/7 - because they make noise and you do need some degree of volume to break them in finer. So it takes longer, but is nonetheless basically a set it and forget it proffer.

Vinyl break in takes fourth dimension, whether it is a phono stage or cartridge. You lot accept to flip the damn record every 20 minutes or thereabouts. And then there is agile participation, and a lot of it.

I personally still believe that on any component you get the majority of break in afterward @50 hours. Yous get about 98% there at @100 hours and and then very subtle differences afterward that, if any. 100 hours of vinyl pause in fourth dimension is a lot of record sides if y'all figure 3 sides = 1 hour, and a lot of elapsed time. Plus you probably need to keep some kind of list to know how many sides you lot've played and so far and sum them upward. Damn, I'm sweating from the workload already.

Oct 23, 2013,10:55 AM

Quote Originally Posted by MusicDirector View Post

I'm kind of interested in the whole cart/TT or Tonearm compliance matter. I'd love some skillful info on it such as what pairs upward with what (perhaps a chart or equation or something at least) without any sales or marketing involved. "Just the facts maam". I fear that'south a very tall if not unobtainable social club though.

The Resonance Calculator is a popular and useful tool/chart that will get you in the ball park......Cartridge Database Tools Your aiming to fall approx. between 8Hz and 12Hz give or take a smidge either way. YMMV

Oct 23, 2013,08:43 PM

Quote Originally Posted by A/V Solutions View Post

The Resonance Calculator is a popular and useful tool/chart that volition go you in the ball park......Cartridge Database Tools Your aiming to autumn approx. between 8Hz and 12Hz requite or take a smidge either way. YMMV

Give thanks you Jeff!

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